Wednesday, July 29, 2009

White House: President is a citizen


The White House said there is probably nothing that would satisfy the so-called "birthers" who contend the president’s Hawaiian birth certificate is fake.

CNN and radio host Lou Dobbs helped bring those lingering questions back to life last week when he, among others, wondered aloud whether the president is “undocumented.”

Many of the birthers contend the President was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

Several lawsuits were filed during the campaign season challenging then-Sen. Obama's eligibility to be president. All were rejected.

The White House responded to the most recent controversy this week as the issue gained momentum across radio waves and online blogs.

"If I had some DNA, it wouldn't assuage those that don't believe he was born here," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters Monday. "But I have news for them and for all of us: The president was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, the 50th state of the greatest country on the face of the Earth. He's a citizen."

Above: President Obama's 1961 birth announcement published in the the Honolulu Advertiser.

The Hawaii health department also reiterated this week that Obama's birth records are valid.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Photos: President Barack Obama in Raleigh, N.C. (AP Photo/Gerry Broome), (AP Photo/The Honolulu Advertiser)

39 comments:

Anonymous said...

Citizen but not a natural born citizen as required. Obama Sr conferred British Citizenship via Kenya and Mom conferred US Citizenship making Obama Jr a dual citizen of both countries. The writings of the Founders and the laws of the US as passed by congress and interpreted by courts through our history point to citizenship being inherited from the parents and not bestowed as a result of the location of birth. To be a natural born US citizen you must be born to two US citizens, but not neccessarily two natural born US citizens.

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Leonard said...

who ever posted this previous comment is an idiot, You become a natural born citizen when you are born in the U.S. If your parents have citizenship somewhere else then you could have dual citizenship.
Stop spreading lies!
And use your real name if you are going to post!

Kay said...

The language pulled directly from the 14th Amendment follows:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Case closed. He's a citizen of the US by virtue of being born in Hawaii just like I am a citizen of the US by virtue of being born in NC.

What is wrong with some of these people...

Anonymous said...

He is a Muslim born in Kenya. That is why he hired law firms across the country to hide his birth certificate. Those who voted for him will get exactly what they asked for. OBAMA stands for One Big ASS Mistake America.

Anonymous said...

anony@ 4:41 Now what if you mother thought the same for you. President Obama is a citizen of the US. Now please Shut-up about his birth certificate.

Anonymous said...

With all these loony "birthers" running around maybe I should buy stock in aluminum foil company. They are as crazy about "aliens" as the people who claim to see little green men everywhere!

Your Mom said...

Some still believe the moon landing was faked.

There will always be ignorant and stubborn people with moronic conspiracy theories, whether it's the moon landing, Roswell, bigfoot, 9/11, or Obama's citizenship.

Anonymous said...

He's a citizen and Elvis has not only left the building, but this world. Get a life people.

smrstrauss said...

The original meaning, unchanged in its relevance to Obama, of Natural Born Citizen is merely someone who was born in the country. It stems from the term Natural Born Subject, which was used in the US colonies before the Revolution.

A Natural Born Subject, according to Blackstone, is simply someone born in the country (in his case Britain) other than such minor exceptions as the children of foreign diplomats and the children of an invading army.

Some people say that the term "Natural Born" stems from Vattel, who said that to be a native citizen (Natural Born was not used in a Vattel translation until 100 years after the Constitution was adopted)a person had to have two parents who were already citizens. But there is no proof that the writers of the Constitution followed Vattel. They did not follow him on other recommendations.

In contrast, it can be shown that the leaders at the time of the Constitution did use "Natural Born" as used in Natural Born Subject. Indeed, Franklin, Adams, and John Jay, writing a draft of the peace treaty with Britain, used Natural Born Citizen and Natural Born Subject as synonyms.

Quote begins:

Draft Articles to Supplement the Preliminary Anglo-American Peace Treaty [ca 27 April 1787 [in Paris]

Articles agreed on by David Hartley Esq., Minister Plenipotentiary of His Brittanic Majesty for &c in behalf of said Majesty on the one part, and J.A. [John Adams], B.F. [Benjamin Franklin], J.J. [John Jay] and H.L [Henry Livingston, who was also at the US Embassy in France, but is not as famous as the other three], ministers plenipotentiary of the Unites States of America for treating of peace….in addition to the articles agreed on the 30th day of November 1782…The subjects of the Crown of Great Britain shall enjoy in all and every of Said United States, all Rights, Liberties, Privileges and Immunities and be Subject to the Duties and Allegiance of natural born Citizens of the Said States---and, on the other hand, all the citizens of the Said United States shall enjoy in all and every of the Dominions of the Crown of Great Britain all Rights, Liberties, Privileges and Immunities and be Subject to the Duties and Allegiance of natural born Subjects of that Crown, excepting Such Individuals of either Nation as the legislature of the other shall judge fit to exempt."

http://books.google.com/books?id=vemc7Vuqk1YC&pg=PA448&lpg=PA448&dq=%22draft+articles+to+supplement%22&source=bl&ots=Aojo7Iux2Z&sig=r8tN3gtsaDaRYWKBox5fOWNPo4M&hl=en&ei=K4pBSvW6ComJtge3iN2dCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3

End quotation


What does this mean? It means that as far as the writers of this document were concerned (Adams, Franklin, Jay and Livingston on the US side), the term Natural Born Citizen is equivalent to Natural Born Subject.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @4:41 You are a true idiot.

Anonymous said...

I don't know if Pres. Obama is or isn't (natural-born, US citizen). What I do know is that with the stroke of a pen, he could authorize the release of his full, long-form birth certificate, including hospital, attending physician, etc. This would take nothing more than a FedEx letter - cost about $15.

Instead, he has literally spent millions of dollars around the country defending the various lawsuits brought forth by a variety of citizens.

Why?

Your Mom said...

-Anonymous 4:41 PM:
"He is a Muslim born in Kenya."

OMG A Muslim! That's scary!

"That is why he hired law firms across the country to hide his birth certificate."

Hiring "law firms across the country?" I'm guessing that would leave an enormous paper trail as well as a growing ring of conspirators, which would increase the likelihood of a secret's exposure. If there really is a conspiracy, "hiring law firms across the country" would be more trouble than it's worth, not to mention expensive.

If I had to guess, your real issue is that a black guy is in the White House, or you're just not very bright.

jason61637 said...

So are you saying that a Muslim cant be president. You should question your own faith, because Allah is hebrew for "GOD"...but I guess your GOD is different from a Muslims GOD...anyway, Why do people hate Obama? George W. didnt get this much flack for starting a pointless war or for being in the Oil Business with Osama Bin Laden...I guess theres some percentage of Americans who are still threatened by the African American!! Damn shame..-Chan

Anonymous said...

Even if he wasn't a citizen, do you think the White House would openly say so.

They don't even allow impromptu questions at a town hall forum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou7SGNo5QHE

Anonymous said...

Please people think Obama had to prove he is a US Citizen to become a Senator. Think people Think! Always trying to keep a black man down. Let it go for a change people.

Anonymous said...

There is absolutely nothing that would convince those rabid white supremacists (birthers, teabaggers) that Obama is a citizens of the US. Most still think Hawaii is a foreign country. This is the only comfort they have for hating him.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Obama probably born in Kenya when his mother made a trip there late in pregnancy. She was only 18, and US law stipulated at the time that because the father was a non-citizen and the mother "under-age", the child was a Kenyan.

It is extremely suspicious that Mr. Obama has not produced his "long form" Hawaiian birth certificate. His spokespeople have certainly indulged in a great deal of hand-waving. A "Certificate of Live Birth" is not a "Birth Certificate." The fact that a Hawaiian official says he has seen such a birth certificate begs the question of why the rest of us cannot see it. The government spokespersons make fun of the claims, and the lack of a serious response is mere redirection.

Mr. Obama's sojourn in Indonesia is another cloud on his citizenship that has not been carefully and unambiguously explained.

This issue will not go away.

Anonymous said...

And the redneck crybabies keep on whining! Not only is Obama a US Citizen, he was elected fair and square to lead this country until at least 2012. That is what annoys the uneducated buffoons more than anything. They just have to keep spreading lies and pretend that the black helicopters above are out to get them, blah, blah, blah. lucky for us, they get to keep crying for another 3 1/2 years, hahahahaha!!!!

Anonymous said...

anon at 526..get your facts straight and you think..to be an US senator.you have to be a US citizen for 9 years..to be president, you have to be a NATURAL born US citizen,,if he is great..all he has to do is to produce a birth certificate. My guess is he a US citizen, but not natural born, which makes him ineligible for the office of pesident.

Dee Greene

Anonymous said...

It is totlly amazing how ignorant so many right wing people are. Thank God their rinky dink views are in such a minority, and the Republican Party is dying a fast death.

Anonymous said...

Why did his Kenyan granny proclaim her presence at his Kenyan BIRTH?
WHY was she kept from the media at the annointing in DC? What nations passport did Obama use in 1981 for his visit to Pakistan? WHY are all his, and Michelles life/school records SEALED? HOW MUCH do YOU pay to GUARD YOUR Birth Certificate? Sorry, Obama, you havent proven BS yet!

David I said...

I would have to assume that his citizenship was clearly known way before the Primaries even started. It simply makes no sense why they would not have checked on this back then.

But I do have to question why so many Obama-supporters immediately start crying "racism" anytime some one brings up anything negative about him? It seems rather ridiculous to automatically assume racism has anything to do with it unless there is a clear indication of racism. Just because someone doesn't like the President and he happens to be black, doesn't make it racist. If so, why didn't anyone call the Bush-haters racist? We all know there was a lot of them.

I guess I'd be a double racist. I don't like Bush nor Obama.

In reality, it comes off as racist when all the Obama-supporters are so quick to label someone as a racist just because they don't care for him or his policies. Are we really still so in the dark that the amount of pigment in a person's skin has ANYTHING to do with liking or disliking said person?

If this is the rule we are working with, then by default everyone is a racist. Simply due to the fact that no one on this planet likes every person in a particular race. Seems like an absurd thought process, doesn't it?

Anonymous said...

This entire movement is a sham and has nothing to do with citizenship. If the actual, paper form was provided, these folks would say it was fake. And as I understand, Hawaii does not retain paper copies (all digital scans). The issue is one of race. Regardless of all the "public" reasons these morons come up with, the issue is that a Black American is President and they somehow think that should not happen. They are cowards in the extreme and should have the guts to simply state their true feelings. Honesty, even when you don't like it, can be respected. These folks are simply a bunch of racist, coward candiasses.

Anonymous said...

Gee Whiz.. Is it really that hard to just produce his long-form original birth certificate and end the whole controversy? Mr. Obama is perpetuating this mess by refusing to do this one, little, single, simple thing.
No matter your stance or political persuasion, you have to ask yourself why doesn't he just publish it??

Erik A. said...

Race, race, race. I don't care if he is from Mars or is whiter than Michael Jackson's kids. I don't like him because he is a liberal socialist nutjob who is driving our country into the ground. You can't tax your way to prosperity and giving everyone a handout, while great for getting votes, does not solve our economic issues. IM NOT AGAINST A BLACK PRESIDENT, IM AGAINST A BAD PRESIDENT.

Anonymous said...

I am another one of the 56 million Americans who DIDN'T vote for OBAMA, You ignorant liberals. He is to worried about having one of his buddies in the white house to drink a beer with a cop who didnt do anything wrong. He is a racist once he called the cops stupid. Why dont you worry about fixing the economy and stop worrying about your black buddies calling you every time they call you about soomething the cops do. What kills me, is that blacks account for 12% of the population, but commit 75% of the crime in this country. That is what we are tired of. Everytime something goes wrong, all you people do is cry racism. Stand up and take responsibility for yourselves. If life is soo bad go back to Africa. Because we all know how great things are over there. Quit living in the past. It is tiresome.

Anonymous said...

Wackos to the left of me - Bush planned 911 and Wackos to the right of me - Obama is not a citizen.

Anonymous said...

OK, let's cut the BS and get down to the bottom line.

Realistically, do you think it's possible a black man could have been elected President of the United States if he were not a naturan born citizen? I mean, really. Don't you think someone would have uncovered this a LONG time ago, like the day after he made the speech at the Democratic convention and the press started talking about him being a candidate for President? Maybe? Don't you think that Karl Rove would have figured this out by now? Whaddya think? Don't you think that the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, National Archives, KGB and the Keystone Cops would have figured out something like this, McFly?

I swear, I have friends who tell me that average Joe American just ain't that bright, and I vehemently disagree with him each time. I say the average American can see through the BS, discern right from wrong and use solid judgemet when it comes to most matters. You, my friend, are making me question my judgement. You are truly a genuine moron.

Anonymous said...

I wish all the Obama haters would just STFU! If he don't want to show his long birth certificate he does not have to show to nobody. It's called freedom and privacy. Like it or not. You racist, ignorant, bigot, aholes need to just stop all the BS. President Obama is in office and there is not one thing you can do about it. Just sit back and watch a real intelligent black man turn this country around for the better.

Anonymous said...

doesn't matter if he is black or white.. but so far he has shown he has no idea what he is doing - except for trying to turn us into a socialist state... He LOVES Big Government and it shows... Please show me something that the government does better than the private sector. Fraud, waste, etc. And of course he is a US citizen!

Anonymous said...

I blame Rock of Love for all of this. If we placed more value on critical thinking, this wouldn't even be a topic. Sadly, we have less readers in this world, and less real news on TV. Thus, much more ignorance.

Anonymous said...

Ok ill say this as a african american man i agree with a lot of people on here all people do is cry racism whether its blacks, white, illegals and so on its really sad anymore. As far as president obama goes yes i am proud he is our president but he has yet to improve one thing and as far as calling the police stupid that was a bad mistake since i am a cmpd police officer and we are paid to do a job to the best of our abilities and we have to make split secound decisions while others get to sit back and question why we did this or that what it all boils down to is shut up everyone do your part stop whining and using race card everytime someone says how they feel isnt that part of being american and as far as the profesor gates goes he is a joke really he like jesse jackson and al sharpton are white all us african americans are looked down on because they always use the black man in america card grow its free country and full of oppertunites if you choose to work hard and earn you respect not sit back and cry and whine about well the black man is being held back by the white man because in truth every race besides the white race has far more help and oppertunities to succeed in life in my opinion and this is coming from an educated african american.

Anonymous said...

MORE BULLSHIT FROM THE "BLACK HOUSE"! OBAMA, GATES , SOTOMEYER, ALL PRODUCTS OF AFFIRMITIVE ACTION. NOT A HALFASS GOOD AMAERICAN BETWEEN THEM. OBAMA AND GATES DEVALUE A HARVARD EDUCATION.

Anonymous said...

THE BUM IS A "RAGHEAD"! I SAY SEND ALL THE MUSLIMS TO "ALLAH" OR WHOEVER AND LET HIM SEPARATE THE GOOD FROM THE BAD! IN THE MEANTIME I HOPE THE TWO RACIST BLACKS OBAMMY AND GATES CHOKE ON THEIR BREW!

Anonymous said...

Racism is alive and well ... on this board. Ya wanna know why Gates feels like he was treated like a second-class citizen on his own property? Read the above comments.
Have some respect people ... and some decency. Posting anonymously does not give you the right to be a hateful douche.

Anonymous said...

jason61637 said...
So are you saying that a Muslim cant be president. You should question your own faith, because Allah is hebrew for "GOD"...but I guess your GOD is different from a Muslims GOD...anyway


What an idiot. Allah is NOT hebrew for God you moron. Allah was the name of ancient pagan Mesopotanian cresent moon god with his daughters who were dropped when pedophile warlord arab Mohammed, who took wives as young as 5 yrs old, plageried the Bible 1300 yrs ago smoking hashish in a cave and hallucinated himself as the final messenger thus ultimately bringing all the arabs under the same tent worshiping a false religion and falge pagan god assuming you believe the ancient jews who were actually half blood brothers to the arabs both being of the Shem white race.

Anonymous said...

The time lines, places, actions, motives, when analyzed, support, and are consistent with, what is the answer to the Obama birth puzzle:

Obama’s grandmother is his mother and his mother is his sister.

Think about it. Review all the facts and claims.

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Posted by Rex, Moorhead :

"Glenn Beck is one of those brave Fox News commentators that wraps himself up in the flag but never spent a day on active duty much less in a combat zone where real enemies shoot back with real guns and bombs. His bravery to his country is on par with Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity having the distinction of having never served a day on active duty yet acting like they are the friends of the military wrapping themselves up in the flag."
..............

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Posted by Esther R. Pinkston Camden, NJ :

"Have people forgotten that President Obama is one half White? How is it that in our national language and definitions related to race we fail to acknowledge that?

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"Pres. Obama is equally White as Black. What is in our thinking, our concepts and dialogues about race that we seemingly, cannot even conceive of the idea that Pres. Obama is a White man? Is it because we, as a people, still believe in the tenets of White superiority that dictate maintaining the "purity of White race/blood" such that one drop of Black makes the person Black? Isn't that racist thinking?"

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