Friday, September 18, 2009

State board: Admit undocumented students

Read what the college board had to say today.

The State Board of Community Colleges approved a new admissions policy that would allow illegal immigrants to attend North Carolina community colleges. The board voted 16 to 1 in favor of the new policy.

To be admitted illegal immigrants must meet the following requirements:
  1. Must be a graduate of a U.S. high school
  2. Must pay out-of-state tuition, totaling $4,400 per academic year.
  3. May not displace a North Carolina or U.S. resident from a class or program
Click here to read what the college board had to say.

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

another reasoon for illegals to keep coming...we need new educators in upper level education

Anonymous said...

I say let them come on campus....so long as they have their weedeaters and pruning shears with them.

Anonymous said...

yeah i agree with the last poster, if they're willing to do manicuring of the campuses grounds I'm all for it.

Anonymous said...

hey im illegal and i got writes too.

Anonymous said...

The board voted 16 to 1 in favor of the new policy.

why?

jeez just hand over the f'n keys to the country to everyone who is NOT a law abiding tax paying lawful citizen.

Ronnie is rolling over in his grave just dying to lay the smack down on you left wing country destroying bleeding heart left wing nut bags

Anonymous said...

JUST SOME MORE OUTRAGE FOR CITIZENS and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS:

Mexican Kids Cross Border Daily For Free U.S. Education

For years, Mexican children from nearby Ciudad Acuna have crossed a bridge north to attend public schools in Del Rio Texas as administrators and immigration officials looked the other way. Meanwhile U.S. taxpayers pick up the nearly $3 million annual tab to educate the Mexican kids whose parents have no regard for the nation’s laws.

The district has an enrollment of 10,232 students in 12 schools and more than 500 are believed to live south of the border. They used fake U.S. addresses to enroll illegally, according to district officials, and some walk over the border bridge while others simply have their parents drive them in vehicles with Mexican license plates.

“I’ve seen van loads of kids with plates from Coahuila State (Mexico) pulling in front of the school,” Del Rio Superintendent Kelt Cooper told a major news organization. “Everyone knows what is going on. It’s real blatant”
There are an estimated 1.5 million school-aged illegal immigrants in the United States and the government spends an estimated $12 billion annually to educate them. The biggest chunks are spent by California ($7.7 billion) and Texas ($3.9 billion), where the situation has become a public education crisis with no end in sight. The Lone Star State’s public schools have seen a huge increase in illegal immigrant Hispanic students with dismal Mexican and Central American education histories that are contributing to an overall lowering of academic standards across the board.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/sep/mexican-kids-cross-border-daily-free-education

Anonymous said...

What are these people who are actually public servants and are paid through our hard earned tax dollars thinking? Or, perhaps the better question would be...are they thinking of the welfare of the American citizen and the legal residents of North Carolina? Or, are they a insulated elitists bending to the will of destructive special interests? We have 11% unemployment and climbing in North Carolina (12.4% in Charlotte). WHY ARE YOU THEY NOT FOCUSING WHAT STATE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE FOR EDUCATING AND TRAINING UNEMPLOYED CITIZENS FOR JOBS INSTEAD OF FINDING WAYS TO FACILITATE PLACING ILLEGAL ALIENS INTO OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEM?

Anonymous said...

As a college educated person, if undocumented students want to pay that high price for community college let them in by the boat loads. I went to a private 4 year college that was not that expensive...$4400 a semester is a lot. By the way I am sure some of them will contribute to bettering our country.

Algernon said...

"As a college educated person, if undocumented students want to pay that high price for community college let them in by the boat loads."

They are here by the boat loads, earning pay under the table, meaning non-taxed...uh in layman's terms that means they do not contribute to the massive burden the rest of us do except in the form of consumption. Their mere presence is a violation of the law, along with every activity that follows.

Surely a 'college educated' person such as yourself can see the issue
at hand goes way beyond simpleton math right?

Anonymous said...

Want to express your dissatisfaction with the NC Community College Board of Directors ruling allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS into community colleges? Listed below is contact information:

Richard Sullins
Executive Director of the NC State Board for Community Colleges
sullinsr@nccommunitycolleges.edu
(919) 807-6969

Scott Ralls
President, NC Community College System
rallss@nccommunitycolleges.edu
(919) 807-6950

Anonymous said...

Let's put some numbers to the illegal alien problem in North Carolina:

A recent study by FAIR at http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/nc_costs.pdf?docID=2441 states it costs NC $1.3 billion annually for just incarceration - emergency medical care - education services to illegal immigrants ($975 million for education alone). That figure does not include English instruction, law enforcement/courts, translators, assistance for public housing, food stamps, welfare payments, etc. Other factors not considered in the reports are job losses by citizens to illegal aliens and the depression of wages in the construction, landscaping, assembly, food processing and service sectors that most illegal aliens are employed in.

Additionally, $1.2 billion annually in remittances is sent from North Carolina to Mexico by illegals. Nationwide, $26 billion in remittances is transferred from the U.S. to Mexico. This is money that is permanently transferred from our economy to a foreign country due to the lack of border control and non-enforcement of hiring laws.

Furthermore, FAIR points out that the cost of educating a public school student in NC is $8,150 per year which translates into an annual expenditure of $975 million for illegal aliens and the U.S. born children of illegal aliens in our state. Is this alone not an outrage? Just think, using that $8,150 cost and multiplying it by 13 (K – 12 school years) produces a cost of $105,950 over the term of the illegal alien child!!! That is money forfeited by taxpayers to educate them and now our NC CCS wants to welcome illegal aliens in with open arms!!!

Anonymous said...

HEY! HERE IN ARIZONA, WE HAVE SCHOOLS IN TUCSON THAT TEACH ILLEGALS THAT THIS LAND WAS STOLEN FROM MEXICO, AND THAT THEIR LOYALTY IS TO MEXICO. HEAD OF EDUCATION"TOM HORNE" COMPLAINED ABOUT THE ANTI-AMERICAN LITERATURE BEING TAUGHT IN THOSE SCHOOLS BUT IT DIDN'T DO A BIT OF GOOD! THESE CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT TO HATE AMERICA, AND THE TAXPAYERS ARE FOOTING THE BILL. I SEE THINGS AREN'T MUCH BETTER IN N.C. WE HAVE THE SAME CRAP IN OUR NEWSPAPERS, THEY ARE VERY PRO-ILLEGAL AND ANTI-AMERICAN! EVERY PAPER IN THE COUNTRY HAS A SHITBAG LIKE ORDONEZ PUSHING THE AGENDA!

Vicente Duque said...

The Beauty and Destructive Power of Lies
The Bastardy of Lies and Racism


Big Lie : that Poland was a Horrible, Big, Humongous threat to Germany in 1933, the poor Nazi Germans. ( We are celebrating 70 years of the Coward Bastard Nazi attack on Poland )

Some Bad Germans from the Junker Nobility convinced the Old and very ailing Marshall Paul von Hindenburg that it was necessary to appoint Hitler as chancellor of the Reich because Poland ( with warrior horses and lots of poverty ) was a threat against the Powerful German Panzers, Messerchnitts, Luftwaffe, etc ...

That decision to appoint Hitler was devastating for the three million of Polish Jews.

You see the power of lies .....

Recently Pat Buchanam ( that was a Republican Presidential Candidate and also a bureaucrat ) has been defending the Junker Fallacy that Poland was a threat for Germany and that Hitler had to invade Poland ( Panzers against old underfed horses ).

Pat is very racist and antiSemitic as the Anti Defamation League of the Jews has repeatedly expressed in documents.

So six millions Jews died in Europe because of lies and there are also lies today, not only Pat.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's statement that the Holocaust was "a myth" is "totally unacceptable", the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement ( of course, Russia doesn't want anything with the stench of Hitler and Nazis )

So it is very sad what happened to poor Poland invaded by the powerful Wehrmacht and the PanzerDivisionen and fighting with all underfed horses and swords against the armored vehicles.

The aging General Erich Ludendorff was for a time a strong supporter of the early rise of Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. After learning of Hitler's appointment as Chancellor, he expressed his disappointment to German President Paul von Hindenburg: "By appointing Hitler Chancellor of the Reich, you have handed over our sacred German Fatherland to one of the greatest demagogues of all time. I prophesy to you this evil man will plunge our Reich into the abyss and will inflict immeasurable woe on our nation. Future generations will curse you in your grave for this action."

Lies are like flies that go to excrements to be fed with more nourishment and that contaminate what is sacred and beautiful in the kitchen.

Lies can only be defeated by Intelligence and Racionality ... Racists have been losing power inch by inch, millimeter by millimeter, Racism has a lot to do with Inferiority Complexes, inadequacies, being a failure in sex, love and business, being a loser, etc ... They will continue losing and being losers.

Milenials.com

Vicente Duque

Anonymous said...

are you seriusly agints people paing to go to school here it will help pay for better teachers if they have to pay all the tuition and if they study they have more chances to help better the comunity you better worry obout the people that prefferst to drop out of school to do nothing!

Anonymous said...

I am very disappointed and sick to my stomach to a ruling made by NC Colleges last week. As a retired police officer I am familiar with quirks in the law. But I just cannot stomach what the NC Colleges decided last week. I know they need money and if applied correctly it will bring in lots of money for the college. I also know that this practice is a slap in the face of our law enforcement officers and especially our Border Patrol. These fine officers work tirelessly to prevent illegal aliens from entering our wonderful country. To allow any illegal any public assistance or opportunity is a crime that should be punished severely and quickly. Just what part of illegal do you not understand? Should I, a natural born American Citizen, do something illegal I will be punished and I understand that fact. So, why should someone who is illegal just for being in this country is given anything except a bus back to their country of origin is a slap in the face of every Border Patrol Agent. I hope someone a lot smarter and better connected to the law makers of this great state put a stop to this practice and pass enforceable laws that will ensure that monies earmarked for North Carolinians go to North Carolinians. With the economy in dire straits there is no room for misguided compassion or unmonitored grants that favor illegals.
The removal of illegals from the state of North Carolina will be an expensive undertaking. Although not as much as supporting them and their families with public funds which are meant for Americans. Let’s do what is right for Americans.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting the contact info for NCCCS. at NCCCS.org
you can access the list of Advisors from across the state who voted for this madness. Each of them should be CALLED out in their respective communities for doing so. It was unanimous, except for
LtGov Dalton's 'NO' vote, which was a charade.

Anonymous said...

HEY N.C.! THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING. WAIT TILL THEY START THE RAZA-M.E.C.H.A. ETHNIC STUDIES. THEY TEACH THESE CHILDREN THAT THE "YANKEE" INSATIABLE APPETITE ROBBED THEM OF THERE LAND AND MURDERED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. THE PICTURE OF POPULAR MARXIST HANG ON THE SCHOOL WALLS. THEY ARE TAUGHT BY THE RAZA STAFF, THE REAL TEACHERS ARE TOLD THEY ARE "TEACHERS OF RECORD", THE STUDENTS ARE TOLD THAT THERE "WHITE TEACHERS" WANT THEM TO FAIL. THIS ANTI-AMERICAN CRAP WILL BE COMING YOUR WAY TOO SOON. SHITBAG ORDONEZ DOESN'T TELL YOU ANY OF THAT, HE JUST KEEPS PUSHING THE AZTLAN AGENDA!

Anonymous said...

The "Tucson unified school district" does teach La raza-mecha ethnic studies. They are taught by Raza staff members.The students are told "white teachers" want them to fail. They do embrace communist figures. They have a portrait of "Che Guevara" hanging in the classroom. They are taught that police officers are an extention of the white power structure and are there to keep them in the ghetto. Mr. Romero and Ms. Delita Grijalva are the head honchos! JUST HIT UP T.U.S.D. ethnic studies!

Vicente Duque said...

New York Times - Frank Rich : "Time put Beck on its cover this week. Man of the Year may not be far behind"

The New York Times
Even Glenn Beck Is Right Twice a Day
By FRANK RICH
September 19, 2009

Even Glenn Beck Is Right Twice a Day

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/opinion/20rich.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

Some excerpts :

Time put Beck on its cover this week. Man of the Year may not be far behind. Beck is not, as many liberals assume, merely the latest incarnation of Rush Limbaugh. He is something different. That’s why he is gaining on his antecedents — and gaining traction in the country’s angrier precincts.

Though Beck’s daily Fox News show is in the sleepy slot of 5 p.m., his ratings are increasingly neck and neck with the prime-time tag team of Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, and he has beaten them in the prized 25-to-54 demographic. It’s not just because he is younger (45). This self-described “rodeo clown,” who wells up with tears for dramatic effect, doesn’t come across as cranky or pompous, like Limbaugh and O’Reilly. A fervent Mormon convert and proselytizer, he is untainted by association with the old Dobson-Robertson-Reed religious right. Unlike Limbaugh, he bonds with his fallible listeners by openly and repeatedly owning up to his own mistakes, including his history of drug and alcohol abuse. Unlike Hannity, he is not a Republican apparatchik.

Beck has notoriously defamed Obama as a “racist,” but the race card is just one in his deck. His ideology, if it can be called that, mixes idolatrous Ayn Rand libertarianism with bumper-sticker slogans about “freedom,” self-help homilies and lunatic conspiracy theories. (He fanned Internet rumors that FEMA was establishing concentration camps before tardily beating a retreat.) It’s the same crazy-quilt cosmology that could be found in last weekend’s Washington protest, where the marchers variously called Obama a fascist, a communist and a socialist, likening him to Hitler, Stalin, Castro and Pol Pot. They may not know that some of these libels are mutually exclusive. But what they do know is that they need a scapegoat for what ails them, and there is no one handier than a liberal, all-powerful president (who just happens to be black).

Beck captures this crowd’s common emotional denominator — with appropriately overheated capital letters — in his best-selling book portraying himself as a latter-day Tom Paine, “Glenn Beck’s Common Sense.” Americans “know that SOMETHING JUST DOESN’T FEEL RIGHT,” he writes, “but they don’t know how to describe it or, more importantly, how to stop it.” This is right-wing populism in the classic American style, as inchoate and paranoid as that hawked by Father Coughlin during the Great Depression and George Wallace in the late 1960s. Wallace is most remembered for his racism, but he, like Beck, also played on the class and cultural resentment of those sharing his view that there wasn’t “a dime’s worth of difference” between the two parties.

Now, as then, a Dixie-oriented movement like this won’t remotely capture the White House. Now, unlike then, it is a catastrophe for the Republicans. The old G.O.P. Southern strategy is gone with the wind. The more the party is identified with nasty name-calling, freak-show protestors, immigrant-bashing (the proximate cause of Wilson’s outburst at Obama) and, yes, racism, the faster it will commit demographic suicide as America becomes ever younger and more diverse.

Raciality.com

Vicente Duque

Anonymous said...

HEY VINCENTE DUCKY! THAT MAKES GLENN BECK RIGHT 2 TIMES A DAY MORE THEN YOU!

Anonymous said...

Allowing any person that lives in this country the opportunity to seek a higher education can only benefit our nation. Instead of worrying about the undocumented students that will pay the high tuition fees, we should be more concerned with the number of US born children that drop out of school and end up on the streets as criminals. Many undocumented kids didn't ask to be brought to this country, many have been here most of their lives, this is their home, papers or no papers. This weekend a young hispanic student woman a scholarship from a local newspaper, she came here at 10 years old, learned the language excelled academically, yet her high school counselor told her she wasn't college material, instead of seeing this as an obstacle she saw it has a challenge today, this young beautiful lady is a student at Carolinas School of Medicine. Her mom had the American Dream for her daughter and through sacrifices and challenges she is putting her daughter to med school.

Truth be told today's undocumented immigrants face the same ignorant comments and racist remarks that the polish, russian, jews and italians faced when they arrived in America, the only difference they came through Ellis Island with papers.

People get real, stop it with the none tax paying bs. These people work, they pay social security and medicaid, yet may never receive a dime. They have a tremendous buying power and pay sales taxes, property taxes, etc. I don't get it when people say they don't pay taxes.

For heavens sakes our history in many aspects is a shameful one, we kept our own citizens in slaved merely because of the color of their skin. Truth be told the "Mexican's owned this land until you all know who stripped them of their them as we did to the native americans.

If you aren't Lumbee, Cherokee, Sioux,Choctaw etc. then you my friend are a descendent of an immigrant.

Wake up and smell the coffee, this is the new America, the beautiful, one of many colors, cultures and languages.

Proud to be an American and a US Army Veteran.

An educated nation is a prosperous nation! Open your Minds!!!!!

Anonymous said...

once again, most of these illegal kids are brought here by their parents since they were young, they did not choose to be here, yet american is the only home they know now. it is not fair to take away someone's chance to succeed just because they were unfortunately brought by someone else illegally.

many of these illegal kids who qualify for college are in fact top percentage of their class in high school, and are way more determined to succeed than most other american-born kids because they are fighting against every stupid racist in the country trying to make their life impossible and they are still willing to pay 5 times as much(out of state tuition) to further their education.

America- in case yall havent noticed, these kids wanting to go to college even with all these barriers placed against them are or would be your most determined and successful professionals that would help your economy more than any other citizen who just lives by unemployment welfare and s.s benefits.

america's own citizens hurt the country as well. illegal immigrants have to pay taxes no matter what. dont tell me that when they shop at a store they are not charged taxes because they are illegal! do not tell me that they do not get taxes deducted from their paychecks every week just like any other 'citizen'. and in fact, these immigrants often just go back to their home country and they never receive their rightful retirement benefits that were deducted from their every paycheck.

let any person who is willing, regardless of legal status, study and further their education- everyone contributes to america's economy. dont be ignorant people.

Allie said...

Members of the state board doesn't get that illegal means "not lawful" "not sanctioned"! The illegal invaders have NO RIGHTS! The State Board are the ones who should go back to school! ILLEGAL INVADERS should be DEPORTED!!!

Anonymous said...

apparently school has not taught some people how to read or understand certain concepts such as: undocumented students did not choose to be undocumented.

put yourself in their shoes. did you get a choice as to where you were going to be born at?

such racism just shows extreme immaturity. what fault do these students have?

Vicente Duque said...

Is it a good idea to evict and expulse Youngsters ??

Is it a good idea not to educate Youth ??

Old Ageing and Dying Nations : The Decay of Great Nations of Europe and Asia - Too Old to Compete - Will Babies save America ??

Forbes Magazine
New Geographer
The Kid Issue
Shrinking populations bode poorly for world economies.
Joel Kotkin,
Joel Kotkin is a presidential fellow in urban futures at Chapman University. He is executive editor of newgeography.com and writes the weekly New Geographer column for Forbes. He is working on a study on upward mobility in global cities for the London-based Legatum Institute. His next book, The Next Hundred Million: America in 2050, will be published by Penguin early next year.
September 8, 2009

The Kid Issue

http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/07/japan-elections-birthrates-opinions-columnists-joel-kotkin.html

Some excerpts :

Many Japanese recognize that their birth dearth contributes to the country's long-standing economic torpor.
.......................

Japan's predicament seems obvious. Its fertility rate has dropped by a third since 1975. By 2015 a full quarter of the population will be over 65. Generally inhospitable to immigrants, Japan could see its population drop from a current 127 million to 95 million by 2050, with as much as 40% of the population over 65 years of age. By then, no matter how innovative the workforce, Dai Nippon will simply be too old to compete.

While Japan's demographic crisis is an extreme case, many countries throughout East Asia and Europe share a similar predicament. Even with its energy riches, Russia's low birth and high mortality rates suggest that its population will drop 30% by 2050 to less than one-third of that of the U.S. Even Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has spoken of "the serious threat of turning into a decaying nation."

Russia's de facto tsar has cause for concern. Throughout history low fertility and socioeconomic decline have been inextricably linked, creating a vicious cycle that affected once-vibrant civilizations such as as ancient Rome and 17th-century Venice.

America :

The reasons for this divergence with other advanced countries likely includes such things as continuing immigration, more land, larger houses, a strong aspirational culture and a higher degree of religious affiliation. Whatever the cause, a younger demography could lead to a relatively brighter future for America than is now commonly assumed.

Additionally, in the next decade the U.S. will benefit from a millennial baby boomlet, as the children of the original boomers start having offspring. This next surge in population may be delayed if tough economic times continue, but over time it will translate into a growing workforce, sustained consumer spending and will likely spur a rash of new creative inputs.

On the surface, these trends should help America to maintain a growing economy while its main competitors fade. By 2050 Europe's economy could be half that of the U.S. But this is not inevitable. As in Japan, some leaders in European countries understand they cannot sustain prosperity with a steadily declining workforce.

More Statistics, Demography, Polls, Immigration, Minorities, Predictions :

Milenials.com

Vicente Duque

Paul said...

I think allowing anyone to further their education and pursue a higher education is an excellent idea. This will only serve to further benefit our nation. More students in schools means more money going to the schools and more jobs for educators and staff. Allowing undocumented students the chance for a higher education will only benefit our economy by producing more educated people who will go on to make positive and professional contributions to our economy and to their communities. Rather than being concerned about the documentation status of bright and capable students, we should be more concerned about the many U.S. citizens who ignorantly choose to dropout of high school, dooming themselves to a life of low income and a marginal existence, ultimately becoming a burden on tax-payer funded social services. More educated people are better for everyone overall. It is morally wrong to deny a person access to education if they are capable and have the means to pursue it. I'm glad the NC state board is allowing undocumented students to pursue higher education.

zeezil said...

You bleeding hearts need to graduate from la-la land. Please explain to all of us here why illegal aliens, even if they were dragged here across the border by their criminal parents, should benefit from the action of this criminal offense. Not only would the the 'little illegal alien darlins' being admitted to our colleges(actually by now young adults) benefit, so would their illegal alien parents, the perpetuators of the original crime of entering the U.S. illegally. The more you give to illegal aliens, the more they establish roots and clamor for more and more including amnesty and citizenship.

They should be provided with no rewards or benefits...other than a compassionate ride home to their country of origin.

Anonymous said...

what is the point of being so racist and having such hatred to these people? as long as they are not directly coming to you and personally harming you, let them be. It's not like you are helping your own country any more than they are.

zeezil said...

I GUESS YOU BLEEDING HEART ILLEGAL ALIEN HUGGERS MISSED THIS...So, therefore I repost:

Let's put some numbers to the illegal alien problem in North Carolina:

A recent study by FAIR at http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/nc_costs.pdf?docID=2441 states it costs NC $1.3 billion annually for just incarceration - emergency medical care - education services to illegal immigrants ($975 million for education alone). That figure does not include English instruction, law enforcement/courts, translators, assistance for public housing, food stamps, welfare payments, etc. Other factors not considered in the reports are job losses by citizens to illegal aliens and the depression of wages in the construction, landscaping, assembly, food processing and service sectors that most illegal aliens are employed in.

Additionally, $1.2 billion annually in remittances is sent from North Carolina to Mexico by illegals. Nationwide, $26 billion in remittances is transferred from the U.S. to Mexico. This is money that is permanently transferred from our economy to a foreign country due to the lack of border control and non-enforcement of hiring laws.

Furthermore, FAIR points out that the cost of educating a public school student in NC is $8,150 per year which translates into an annual expenditure of $975 million for illegal aliens and the U.S. born children of illegal aliens in our state. Is this alone not an outrage? Just think, using that $8,150 cost and multiplying it by 13 (K – 12 school years) produces a cost of $105,950 over the term of the illegal alien child!!! That is money forfeited by taxpayers to educate them and now our NC CCS wants to welcome illegal aliens in with open arms!!!

Paul said...

Zeezil: Of course you would only use statistics from FAIR to back up your argument because FAIR is a notoriously anti-immigrant organization. It is far from non-partisan and has a strong anti-immigrant agenda. So naturally their statistics are skewed to fit within their agenda. In fact, FAIR advocates changes in U.S. immigration policy that would result in significant reductions in immigration, both legal and illegal. Its founder, John Tanton, is also the founder of a number of other anti-immigrant and xenophobic groups. They produce policy rhetoric that is often inflammatory, clearly anti-immigrant, and partisan. FAIR is also listed as a hate group with the Southern Poverty Law Center. Its representatives have long expressed controversial anti-Latino and anti-Catholic attitudes, and some key officials are members of white supremacist groups. So that is there agenda. You really should stop relying on infotainment such as FAIR, Lou Dobbs, Glen Beck, etc., for your information, and start relying on real data gleaned from scholarly and empirical research.

Paul said...

Zeezil: Regarding your previous query as to why students should benefit by receiving a higher education (and ultimately why we all would benefit from having more educated people in our country) here are a few items:
-Every year, thousands of undocumented immigrant students who were brought to the United States as children graduate from high school. Many graduate at the top of their class, yet higher education remains an elusive opportunity. Due to their status, they lack access to loans, federal grants, most private scholarships, and they typically have to pay out-of-state tuition rates regardless of how long they have resided in a state. A large number of otherwise highly qualified undocumented immigrant students drop out of high school due to the lack of opportunities available after high school, exacerbating an already significant dropout crisis among American students in general. Undocumented immigrants students who might otherwise have gone on to become highly productive and contributing members of society are forced to remain in a marginal existence. That's wrong for them and it's wrong to deny their contributions to America.
-It's cruel and wrongheaded, as well as morally wrong and unethical, to deny undocumented students higher education and an opportunity to obtain legal status.
-These students would ultimately pay more taxes and make greater contributions as professionals and citizens rather than be reduced to a life of poverty relying on social services and government handouts like many other American citizens who choose not to pursue higher education.
-At the end of the day, the American people will eventually realize that undocumented immigrants are a valuable national resource of additional human capital that should be tapped for reasons of pragmatism, equity, civil rights, and humanitarianism rather than rejected.

Paul said...

...continued

Tamar Jacoby of Immigration Works USA, states:
"These youth are special, and they deserve special consideration. They’ve committed no known crime and have struggled against long odds, often with impressive results. For our sake as much as theirs, it makes sense to welcome them into American life — to allow them to finish their educations, serve in the military, begin careers and realize their rich potential.
But the legislation and its beneficiaries also teach two larger lessons — lessons that apply beyond this small group.
First, immigrants – the vast majority of immigrants — bring drive and skills to America. The Dream kids are stars — strivers of special promise. But they’re far from the only immigrants, legal and illegal, who help make the country prosperous and vital. Two-thirds of the students in U.S. university computer science and engineering programs are foreign-born. So are 25 percent of doctors and nurses. Immigrants hold a quarter of U.S. patents.
And even at the bottom of the economy, foreign workers’ willingness to take any job, anywhere, helps the economy run more efficiently. Because they are different than most Americans, either more or less educated, immigrants complement rather than compete with us — which makes us more productive and grows the economic pie for everyone.
Second, immigrants are assimilating, and we ought to reward them for it. The kids who would be covered under the Dream Act have mastered English. They’ve graduated from high school, often in families and neighborhoods where that’s difficult and discouraged. They’ve learned enough about America not just to fit in, but to succeed here. And many are willing to risk their lives for their new country.
But millions of newcomers, legal and illegal, are taking similar steps — although we do virtually nothing to help or encourage them. On the contrary, if they entered the country illegally — responding to our mixed signals, half-forbidding but half-inviting them to come do work we need done –- we bar them from the very steps we say we want most from them: moving up the socioeconomic ladder and becoming fully participating members of society.
The lesson is obvious: Our fear and misplaced moralism are blinding us to our own interests."

How can having additional educated people in our county be a bad thing?

Anonymous said...

I agree very much with Paul...everything he said is true...and it has been proven. Let the DREAM ACT pass!