Wednesday, October 14, 2009

Congressman outlines plan for immigration reform

U.S. Congressman Luis Gutierrez, an Illinois Democrat, presented his vision for a new comprehensive immigration reform bill Tuesday at a rally on the west lawn of the United States Capitol.

He spoke in front of thousands of immigrants who came to the capitol to calling for comprehensive immigration reform. He plans to introduce a full bill in the coming weeks.

His proposal focuses on a path to legalization for illegal immigrants, but also includes proposals for protecting immigrant workers, better employee verification systems, and stronger border enforcement.

“We need a bill that says if you come here to hurt our communities, we will not support you, but if you are here to work hard and to make a better life for your family, you will have the opportunity to earn your citizenship,” Gutierrez said. “We need a law that says it is un-American for a mother to be torn from her child, and it is unacceptable to undermine our work force by driving the most vulnerable among us further into the shadows.”

Critics say Gutierrez’s proposal amounts to an amnesty proposal for those who broke American laws.

"Amnesty sends a message that you’re a sucker to play by the rules," said Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which promotes stronger immigration enforcement, according to the Fort Worth Star Telegram.

Congressman Gutierrez released on his website the following outline of the core principles that he will use in his reform bill:

– Pathway to legalization for illegal immigrants
– Effective border enforcement
– Humane interior enforcement
– Protecting immigrant workers
– Stronger verification systems
– Family unification
– Updated visa system
– Agriculture jobs
– Access to college for undocumented students

Photo: Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., speaks at a rally for immigration reform on the grounds of the U.S. Capitol Tuesday, Oct. 13, 2009, in Washington. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)


zeezil said...


Poll: Mexicans Say Amnesty Would Increase Illegal Immigration

Mexicans also Feel Mexican-Americans Should Be Loyal to Mexico

WASHINGTON, /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — A new survey by Zogby International finds that people in Mexico think that granting legal status to illegal immigrants would encourage more illegal immigration to the United States. As the top immigrant-sending country for both legal and illegal immigrants, views on immigration in Mexico can provide insight into the likely impact of an amnesty, as well as other questions related to immigration.

The results are on the Center for Immigration Studies’ website. Among the findings:

• A clear majority of people in Mexico, 56 percent, thought giving legal status to illegal immigrants in the United States would make it more likely that people they know would go to the United States illegally. Just 17 percent thought it would make Mexicans less likely to go illegally. The rest were unsure or thought it would make no difference.

• Of Mexicans with a member of their immediate household in the United States, 65 percent said a legalization program would make people they know more likely to go to America illegally.

• Two-thirds of Mexicans know someone living in the United States; one-third said an immediate member of their household was living in the United States.

• Interest in going to the United States remains strong even in the current recession, with 36 percent of Mexicans (39 million people) saying they would move to the United States if they could. This is consistent with a recent Pew Research Center poll which found that about one-third of Mexicans would go to the United States if they could. At present, 12 to 13 million Mexico-born people live in the United States.

• An overwhelming majority (69 percent) thought that the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) should be to Mexico. Just 20 percent said it should be to the United States. The rest were unsure.

• Also, 69 percent of people in Mexico felt that the Mexican government should represent the interests of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) in the United States.

• A plurality, 39 percent, of Mexicans thought that in the last year fewer people they know had gone to the United States as illegal immigrants compared to previous years. Only 27 percent thought more had gone. The rest thought it had stayed the same or were unsure.

• A plurality, 40 percent, also thought that in the last year more of the illegal immigrants they know had returned to Mexico compared to previous years. Only 25 percent thought the number returning had fallen. The rest thought it had stayed the same or were unsure.

• Both the bad economy and increased immigration enforcement were cited as reasons fewer people were going to America as illegal immigrants and more were coming back to Mexico.


As the nation begins debates the issue of immigration, the perspective of people in Mexico is important because Mexico is the top sending country for both legal and illegal immigrants. In 2008 one of six new legal immigrants was from Mexico and, according to the Department of Homeland Security, 6 out of 10 illegal immigrants come from that country. Asking people in Mexico their views on immigration can provide insight into the likely impact of an amnesty for illegal immigrants and other questions related to immigration....

zeezil said...


Poll: Mexicans Say Amnesty Would Increase Illegal Immigration

Mexicans also Feel Mexican-Americans Should Be Loyal to Mexico

....This survey is the first to ask people in Mexico if they thought legalizing illegal immigrants in the United States would encourage more illegal immigration. The survey was conducted in August and September of 2009 and consisted of 1,004 in-person interviews of adults throughout Mexico. The findings show that a majority of people in Mexico think that an amnesty would make it more likely that people in Mexico would come to the United States illegally. This is especially true for people who have a member of their households living in the United States. It is important to note that respondents were asked specifically about whether an amnesty would make illegal immigration more likely, not just immigration generally. Other questions in the survey explore attitudes about migration to United States generally, recent trends in migration, and loyalty to the United States.

The results may give pause to those lawmakers who think that an amnesty/legalization for illegals immigrants would reduce illegal immigration in the future. The findings of this survey indicate that an amnesty would encourage more illegal immigration, at least from Mexico.

zeezil said...


56% Say U.S. Government Policies Encourage ILLEGAL Immigration

U.S. voters want aggressive action to restrict illegal immigration, but they don’t think immigrants should bear the brunt of the enforcement efforts on their own. Most say the federal government and those hiring illegal immigrants also need to be brought into the discussion.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% say the policies of the federal government encourage people to enter the United States illegally. Only 27% disagree, and 17% are not sure.

Republicans and unaffiliated voters overwhelmingly believe that federal policies encourage illegal immigration. Thirty-two percent (32%) of Democrats agree, but 41% do not.

The view that the federal government is enticing people to violate the law is consistent with earlier surveys. Among voters who are angry about immigration, 83% are angry at the federal government. Only 12% direct their anger at the immigrants.

Voters want the laws of the land enforced but not just against illegal immigrants.

The new survey finds that 64% believe law enforcement officers should sometimes conduct surprise raids at places where immigrants gather to find work. An even larger number (71%) say those who do the hiring also should be arrested.

Earlier surveys have shown that voters overwhelmingly believe that those who employ illegal immigrants should be punished.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona has aggressively enforced laws against illegal immigration including raids of places where illegal immigrants gather to seek work. He is viewed favorably by 68% of Arizona voters, making him one of the state’s most popular political figures. Most in the state say the tough sheriff has been good for the state’s image.

However, Arpaio’s activities have drawn greater scrutiny under the Obama administration. His department is now being investigated by the U.S. Justice Department for alleged racial profiling in its street sweeps for illegal immigrants. Similar profiling concerns have prompted the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to limit Arpaio’s ability to arrest suspected illegal immigrants under federal law. His officers will still be allowed to check the immigration status of people brought into their jail on other charges but will no longer be able to conduct street patrols specifically looking for illegal immigrants.

Only 33% of voters nationwide want the federal government to place such restrictions on local law enforcement officers. Forty-six percent (46%) do not while 21% are not sure. Part of the resistance is likely due to the fact that voters are skeptical of the federal government’s enforcement efforts. In fact, 74% say the government is not doing enough to secure the borders.

But 61% are at least somewhat concerned that efforts to identify and deport illegal immigrants also will end up violating the civil rights of some U.S. citizens.

On immigration, there has consistently been a large gap between Mainstream America and the Political Class. The biggest point of disconnect between voters and the conventional wisdom in Washington, D.C. has to do with priorities.

Almost always in Washington, the debate begins with a focus on how to address the status of illegal immigrants already in the country. To voters, that is a secondary concern. Controlling the borders is their top concern. That hasn’t changes since the 2006 immigration legislation collapsed when the U.S. Senate surrendered to public opinion. During that debate, a New York Times/CBS poll found that 69% believed illegal immigrants should be prosecuted and deported....

zeezil said...


56% Say U.S. Government Policies Encourage ILLEGAL Immigration

....What is often lost in the debate over immigration reform is that once the borders are controlled, most Americans favor a welcoming immigration policy provided it is done within the law. Republicans are more supportive than Democrats of such a policy. Overall, by a 55% to 27% margin, Americans favor a policy goal that would welcome everyone except criminals, national security threats and welfare dependants.

diggndeeper said...

Why don't we go back to a controlled immigration program that also allows immigrants from countries other than Mexico to have the same welcoming in the US? Certainly there are people in other countries that deserve a chance at a better life. Additionally, the flow of dollars out of the US by most of the illegals is as bad to our economy as our buying of oil from out of the country.

zeezil said...

Right you are diggndeeper. here's some information:

The Cost of Illegal Immigration to North Carolinians

Familarize yourself with the latest study just released on the impact of illegal immigration to North Carolinians here:

You won't see its findings and contents discussed by the dinosaur media because they'd rather you not be aware. In short, it costs our state $1.3 billion annually for just incarceration - emergency medical care - education services to illegal immigrants. That figure does not include English instruction, law enforcement/courts, translators, assistance for public housing, food stamps, welfare payments, etc. Other factors not considered in the reports are job losses by citizens to illegal aliens and the depression of wages in the construction, landscaping, assembly, food processing and service sectors that most illegal aliens are employed in.

Also, the cost to North Carolinians of their share of the impact that illegal immigration places on 15 federal department was not included.

Overall, the cost of illegal immigration nationally is in excess of $100 billion annually.

Another item gleaned from the study I cited is the remittances of $1.2 billion annually from illegal immigrants in North Carolina to Mexico. Nationwide, $26 billion in remittances is transferred from the U.S. to Mexico. This is money that is permanently transferred from our economy to a foreign country due to the lack of border control and non-enforcement of hiring laws.

Anonymous said...

Pay to have all illegal immigrants rounded up. Pay to have them deported. Then pay to have them rounded up again when the come back in and pay to have them deported again. Go thru that loop as many times as the illegal immigrant is will to put you thru it OR go after the employers of illegal immigrants once. Your choice. After the illegal immigrants hear that they cannot get jobs they leave on their own. I really think that most people who post here would rather deport the same Illegal immigrant 10-20 times than go after the employer once.

Brittanicus said...

Soon America is going to be confronted with another out-of-control AMNESTY for the 20 to 30 million illegal aliens already here. This is not taking into account the millions who will follow on, once the word gets out through Central and South America and the rest of the world. Only the armed National Guard on our lax border will be able to stop the incursion of the destitute, the sick, drug dealers, slavers, foreign terrorists and a multitude other entering this country illegally. The church, unions, the Communist ACLU, US Chamber of Commerce, Council of Foreign Relations and radical, International groups all have their agendas. These Anti-sovereignty organizations must embrace there corrupted puppet politicians, that ostensibly wants to make this cataclysm come true?

The driving force now behind this contradiction to his oath of Allegiance to American people is Rep.Luis Gutierrez's of Illinois, whose immigration enforcement since being in office is a (F-) grading according to NUMBERSUSA. The American Workers—MUST-- condemn this Immigration reform action by complaining to their indifferent Liberal Democrats and some Republicans at 202-224-3121. Don't let the aides reject you offhand as you want your representative to know? Currently 15 million US workers with the most sitting at home, sending out references, walking the streets and looking for work. Then this joker Luis Gutierrez is pushing for a second Amnesty? What are these politicians thinking, or do they think at all? My hope the taxpayers show him the door—ALL OF THEM--when he/she wants to be re-elected.

Gutierrez is just one of many who have blemished their own records of their loyalty to the American people? I just know that the last AMNESTY was an absolute failure, owing to the fraud that transpired. I think the majority of the US population knows that the majority of our politicians in every administration had no true intentions of ever securing the border, or enforcing any immigration law. This has been proven over and over again, with Senators like Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Janet Napolitano that have all genuflected to the demands of businesses big and small. It seems for decades that it’s been mandatory that we must support the world’s poor? The evidence has irrefutable shown that their disregard for US labor in Obama's stimulus bill, the potential health care reform and whatever deviant law, they place in the Senate and House to support the illegal immigrants and families once they break into America? WE welcome a millions or more legal immigrants each year? Even police departments are reprimanded as Arizona Sheriff Joe Araipo, who is carry out duties, our government seems to cold-shoulder.

Brittanicus said...

INSTEAD OF JUST A CIVIL INFRACTION, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION SHOULD BE PENALIZED AS A FELONY? THAT'S WHY THEY KEEP ON COMING? We should demand of those who represent us that E-Verify should be implemented immediately as mandatory, with no exemptions. Everybody in the workplace Must be verified. No more voluntary E-Verify? Every police department should be trained to apprehend and question any individual they see fit to check? No more of this Liberal Socialist political correctness garbage on racial profiling? We should have a federal force to audit I-9's, with the defiant ones going to prison. ICE should have larger funding with more interior and border agents, to sweep down on illegal business activities. Identify for yourself those politicians who are involved in corruption at JUDICIAL WATCH site. Our nation is silently being dismantled by the globalists and those who wave the banner for them.

Small states will miss out big time on federal dollars in the 2010 Census, while mass illegal immigrant states will gain more seats in Congress and too much power and influence in general elections? California specifically, because of the handicapped zombie Liberal Democrats In Sacramento, who should be thrown out of office into a garbage dump, owing to the billions they used underwriting the illegal alien population. They caused the financial crisis in the once-Golden state, by ignoring the millions of illegal aliens, gang bangers bleeding San Fran and Los Angeles dry of revenue. Of course ICE could check the immigration status of those who are counted, even though it's supposedly against US law? Or is counting 20 million plus (?) non-legal residence against the US Constitution? But then these politicians do not recognize what is illegal from illegal anymore? Democrats are still endeavoring to give the children of illegal immigrants, access to colleges and university. Our children should come first because we are citizens and permanent residents.

Don't let sympathy cloud your mind to our own countries deterioration, the infrastructure and uncorrectable overpopulation. Each year our State and federal taxes go ever higher, to pay for the illegal immigrants, their emergency care, education, their extended circle of relatives that enter under family reunification. THE TAXPAYER HAS BECOME THE BREADWINNERS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THIS COUNTRY AND THE WORLD. IT MUST STOP!

Vicente Duque said...

From :

Immigration Talk with a Mexican American :

The White House hosted “Fiesta Latina” on Tuesday, and were joined by Jennifer Lopez, Marc Anthony, Gloria Estefan, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, Eva Longoria Parker, George Lopez, and Jimmy Smits, among many others. As part of their ongoing series of parties and events at the White House, the Obamas hosted a Latin music celebration (or, "Fiesta Latina") on Tuesday night. The performers included Gloria Estefan, Marc Anthony, Jose Feliciano, Los Lobos, the New York bachata band Aventura, the Mexican singer Thalia, among others.

Obama said a few words to the audience, then proceeded to bring the whole family up for some impromptu salsa.

Obama has many reasons to be happy and to celebrate by dancing salsa and singing rancheras :

Dow Jones closes over 10,000 - Great Triumph for Mr Obama - Great Confidence of Investors at Wall Street - Analysis

A Great Psychological Barrier has been broken !!

Today, October 14, 2009, Wednesday.

Dow closes at 10,015.86 - For the first time after this recession started !

J. P. Morgan Earnings are a locomotive for Enthusiasm.

Nasdaq closes at 2,172.23, S&P 500 closes at 1092.02

Congratulations Mr Obama !!
You are a Great President !!

I know that people will complain of Unemployment, but the Stock Market is predicting recovery.
The Stock Market : This is one of the best predictors.

Investors are becoming more confident of the Future, Economy and Government.

Obama has done "Health Care" for the Economy.

More analysis of the Obama Healing of the Economy :

Vicente Duque

Anonymous said...

Man what a great way to catch a free ride on the gravy train ...

..Sneak over the border and have all those yummy bleeding heart liberals pass legislation that requires the lawful citizens of the country you just invaded pay for your free health care and give you mortgages and look the other way when you don't pay taxes and send half your pay to another country where it helps that economy.....

...hmmnn you know what I'd do it too... and laugh just like them while most all you Americans paid my way against your will....

Algernon said...

Am I the only one that sees "amnesty" and placating the illegal alien problem will do nothing but turn this country into the very same place all these folks are coming from?

Health care for the economy? Is that grape or cherry ...your koolaide there?

You mean obama has mandated income redistribution against our will?

Anonymous said...

Yet ab=nither head job for illegal aliens fromt he lover of ALL illegal invaders-frunko out-of-ordernez! Does anyone else see this as totally self serving? THIS is why I do NOT pay for a subscription to the disturber, it is a filthy piece of useless garbage with an agenda to fondle every illegal possible. Kick frunko back to HIS country of origin, since his loyalty is NOT to the USA!

Anonymous said...


zeezil said...

Poll: Amnesty Will Increase Illegal Immigration

Posted October 16th, 2009

Over half of Mexican nationals polled in a recent survey by Zogby International say that amnesty would create a massive influx of illegal immigrants from Mexico. With Mexico being the major source nation for illegal immigrants, this should serve as a wake up call to those in Congress calling for amnesty. Yet, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and others continue to claim that legalization measures within comprehensive immigration reform are the answer to the illegal immigration problems of the US. Apparently, the pro-amnesty camp is not worried about letting history repeat itself.

After the last amnesty bill in 1986, the US did indeed see a flood of illegal immigrants crossing the border. Numbers soared from an estimated 3 million illegal immigrants in the country to 12 million today. It should come as no surprise that upon seeing those already in the country being handed legal status and a path to citizenship, others sought to come to the US and simply wait out their chance. By granting another amnesty, we will not solve the illegal immigration problem, but simply put the country in the same place in another twenty years.

No matter what amnesty proponents claim, the amnesty of today will not end up looking any different from 1986. An honest solution to illegal immigration instead needs to increase border security, create avenues for legal immigration through temporary worker programs, build economic development in Latin America, and increase enforcement to force people to return home. Only by means of these actions can we truly begin to solve the problem of illegal immigration in the US.

zeezil said...

By now, America and her politicians should have learned a lesson from the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986:
Namely, amnesty only begets more millions of illegal aliens.
Indeed, since amnesty was granted to several million illegal aliens back then, another 20- 38 million have unilaterally decided to make America their home

Vicente Duque said...

Immigration and the Low Birth Rates in Europe - History of the Fall of the Roman Empire, Genetic Change and Mix, Foreign Settlers, Adaptation, Acculturation and Accommodation

Immigrants, and the Sociological Problem of Accommodation. It is illuminating to study Roman and Greek History.

Remember that the Roman Empire had big Genetic Change, the conquered populations were brought as slaves, as artisans, artists, merchants, tutors, pedagogues and intellectuals, and in some special cases as Adoptions.

There was a lot of "Religious" Immigration, the Roman soldiers before others, adopted the Foreign Religions and brought foreign priests and priestesses, later the Romans fell to the Foreign Religions and Cultures.

Some Roman Emperors were foreign and adopted ( from Hispania, Gaul, and even from the Orient )

And before Rome fell many barbarians have been settled inside the Empire as "Peaceful" Immigrants, allowed by the Roman authorities.

During the Roman Republic and in the first years of the Empire, the barbarians adopted Roman Names, Roman Dress and Attires, and Roman Customs. During the last years of the Roman Empire it was the other way around, and the Romans adopted the foreign names and cultures as more "chic" and more "charming" that the Roman name or custom.

As a very young student, a very old British book of Statistics and Population fell into my hands in a Library. It was extremely learned and erudite ( Cambridge or Oxford ), the author had conversed with the best British Historians of the early 1900s and they had told him that the Great Roman Families had become extinct, because of infertility, repugnance to reproduction or reluctance to divide legacies and inheritance, wars, plagues, adoptions, etc ...

Another factor could have been the impoverishment of the last heirs of the Great Consuls and Roman Magistrates. A kind of competition among humans with new genes appearing on the scene.

Can the same problem be detected for other Royal Families, Dynasties, etc ... ?? ..... In other countries and Epochs ??

Vicente Duque

Peregrino said...

The Center for Immigration Studies was founded by a white nationalist to provide cover for the nonsense his other groups (FAIR, Numbers USA, US English, The Social Contract Press, among others) were spewing.

It is nonsensical on the face of it to get excited or to see a threat in the idea that one third of 111 million people have "an immediate family member" among the 11.5 million Mexican born US population.

That is the way these nativist groups work--they present something that is almost irrelevant as if it were some sort of scary secret.

If you get all of your information from one source (especially if it is pretending to be a dozen sources), then you will leave yourself open to their breathless terrors.

Omitted from zeezil's "reporting" is the fact that the survey was done FOR the Center for
Immigration Studies and released by them. This is a little like a poll done for the Tobacco Institute that was allowed to see the light of day.

Also omitted was the fact that the poll was conducted in person. In-person interviews increase the likelihood of social desirability bias (the likelihood that the subject will say what they thing the interviewer wants to hear) so dramatically that no potentially controversial finding can be trusted in such a methodology.

There is a reason these so-called "think tanks" release their findings directly to the public. Anyone who knows the first thing about the population of interest and the methodology would pick them apart in a scholarly examination.

Quake on, zeezil.

zeezil said...

Maricopa County, Arizona is the best area in the country for reliable illegal alien crime statistics. The county sheriff, Joe Arpaio, has aggressively decided to combat illegal alien crime in his county. He has partnered with federal ICE through the 287 (g) program which trains local law enforcement personnel in determining and dealing with illegal aliens. He has a well staffed Triple I Unit (Illegal Immigrant Interdiction Unit).

UPDATE: The Obama Administration is doing all it can to tear down the excellent unit that Sheriff Arpaio has developed and reign in their illegal alien arrests.

The MCAO report from County Attorney Andrew Thomas features these startling numbers for prosecuted felony cases in Maricopa County, Arizona:

In 2007, illegal immigrants accounted for:

10% of sex crimes convictions
11% of murders convictions
13% of stolen cars convictions
13% of aggravated assaults convictions
17% of those sentenced for violent crimes
19% of those sentenced for property crimes
20% of those sentenced for felony DUI.
21% of crimes committed with weapons
34% of those sentenced for the manufacture, sale or transport of drugs
36% of those sentenced for kidnapping
44% of forgeries
50% of those sentenced for crimes related to "chop shops"
85% of false ID convictions
96% of smuggling convictions

Illegal immigrants make up 19 percent of those convicted of crimes in Maricopa County and 21 percent of those in county jails.

Illegal immigrants only make up an estimated 9 percent of the county’s population.

It is estimated that each violent crime cost citizens $20,000, and each property crime cost citizens $4363 per offense.